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That's totally your choice! It's not unfair. Nobody is obliged to risk themselves to perma death. It's just not as fun as you don't. You can't hold high ranks or titles without risk - is my ideal system. But if you'd like to be a nobody, sure you can be a powerful nobody without risks like Master Chen. Naruto is a powerful Genin killing Kage level enemies on a daily basis. Rank will never determine your power level in Nin Online :)

Woow awesome, thx for making this clear Maybe adding in a in game guide for all this? Or add in on forums locked topic with all this rp things once theyre done:)

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There is far too much "big brothering" going on in regards to GMs and decisions kages make. If a Kage isn't allowed to make their decisions quickly without being blocked by a GM, then that Kage is not the undisputed leader of their village, the person cockblocking him is.

 

Isn't the whole point of a Coup d'état to get rid of a Kage that the village doesn't want? Why would a Kage need to be banned or forcibly removed at all? If the village isn't willing to revolt, then they deserve to be taken advantage of. Any intelligent leader knows that they are nothing without something to lead.

 

I'm pretty sure that a Kage being assassinated does not prevent/prolong wars, it does the complete opposite. Enemy village has no leader and is in disarray, time to take advantage of that.

 

Not everyone who plays a video game participates in the forum, a 10 post requirement to do the chuunin exam promotes mindless spam just to be able to enter the exam. It also means more work for GMs to verify post count, which will eventually feel like a second job to them.

 

Assuming only one kage needs to be in attendance to a chuunin exam, what's to stop them from choosing only the genin from their village to be promoted?

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Adding to what Sipher said,

Abusive kage's would lead to bigger and more numerous Coup d'états. Leading to....another RPE! If the kage finds out, he could squash the rebellion and perma kill/exile it's leader, hell the sick bastard can permakill/exile all of them. If the Coup has enough players, the entire village goes into a revolution of sorts. If the Coup d'état is succesful, the leader can become kage/choose his own kage. (See my post in "What is the best way to choose a kage" Topic).

 

Though i guess the Kage would need proof to try to squash a rebellion. WHich is where the GM would be involved. Though a Kage killing/exiling a bunch of players under the guise of a revolt? That would be corruption. The rest of the village finding out? Holy Shit. Kages in Naruto aren't exactly squeaky clean, by the way. Corruption makes a game and really everything else interesting.

 

GM's should be more regulative in RPE's, like banning that one fucker who's obviously helping the other village succeed(Though i guess a traitor "RPE" could be put in), starting the RPE, and stopping a Kage from choosing only genin from his village to be promoted(Like Sipher said)

 

There's a lot more fun and RP to be had with Kage's having free rein on the village instead of answering to a buzzkiller.

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There is far too much "big brothering" going on in regards to GMs and decisions kages make. If a Kage isn't allowed to make their decisions quickly without being blocked by a GM, then that Kage is not the undisputed leader of their village, the person cockblocking him is.

 

Isn't the whole point of a Coup d'état to get rid of a Kage that the village doesn't want? Why would a Kage need to be banned or forcibly removed at all? If the village isn't willing to revolt, then they deserve to be taken advantage of. Any intelligent leader knows that they are nothing without something to lead.

 

I'm pretty sure that a Kage being assassinated does not prevent/prolong wars, it does the complete opposite. Enemy village has no leader and is in disarray, time to take advantage of that.

 

Not everyone who plays a video game participates in the forum, a 10 post requirement to do the chuunin exam promotes mindless spam just to be able to enter the exam. It also means more work for GMs to verify post count, which will eventually feel like a second job to them.

 

Assuming only one kage needs to be in attendance to a chuunin exam, what's to stop them from choosing only the genin from their village to be promoted?

The GM is not there to cockblock.

He's there to ensure people who play the game are not being bullied.

There is a certain amount of annoying and/or abusive behavior a player can tolerate before being too pissed off to play.

The GM will not rule over the Kage's decision to rank up certain people. He's there to stop Kages from doing stupid shit like down ranking everyone, or doing something childish like threatening people's ranks and demanding money from them. I mean it sounds funny, or sounds like fun for the one Kage, but it ruins game play for others.

Chunnin Exams which are combined will of course not only need 1 Kage. The other Kages would have to be involved. However, in the event of there not being any allies, the Chunnin exams will be kept in house.

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The GM is not there to cockblock.

He's there to ensure people who play the game are not being bullied.

There is a certain amount of annoying and/or abusive behavior a player can tolerate before being too pissed off to play.

The GM will not rule over the Kage's decision to rank up certain people. He's there to stop Kages from doing stupid shit like down ranking everyone, or doing something childish like threatening people's ranks and demanding money from them. I mean it sounds funny, or sounds like fun for the one Kage, but it ruins game play for others.

Chunnin Exams which are combined will of course not only need 1 Kage. The other Kages would have to be involved. However, in the event of there not being any allies, the Chunnin exams will be kept in house.

Wouldn't it be better to leave that up to the players? Stopping the kage from doing stupid shit, I mean.

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No player should have an option to hinder another player's gameplay through authority. Authority belongs to people who are unbiased and fair; people who will ensure the players are in order. *Cough* Nazis *Cough*

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Ah, but you see that authority was given by the players themselves(Hopefully, at least). So if you think about it, it's the players hindering their OWN experience because of a dumb decision or failure to act. Which they would then have to rectify. I understand where you're coming from, really, but the fun and authenticity that can come out of unchecked Kages far outweighs the negatives. Remember, Naruto isn't a world of laughs and giggles, serious shit happens; and if a player doesn't like the abuse, he can grow a pair and set up a Coup d'état, or step the fuck down and shut up.

 

Who's to say the GM's won't abuse their power? If they do, we then have a powerful entity that we did not put into power  and have no fun way of removing him from that position. Unless you call "he said, she said" topics and backhanded posts on the forum fun.

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Ah, but you see that authority was given by the players themselves(Hopefully, at least). So if you think about it, it's the players hindering their OWN experience because of a dumb decision or failure to act. Which they would then have to rectify. I understand where you're coming from, really, but the fun and authenticity that can come out of unchecked Kages far outweighs the negatives. Remember, Naruto isn't a world of laughs and giggles, serious shit happens; and if a player doesn't like the abuse, he can grow a pair and set up a Coup d'état, or step the fuck down and shut up.

 

Who's to say the GM's won't abuse their power? If they do, we then have a powerful entity that we did not put into power  and have no fun way of removing him from that position. Unless you call "he said, she said" topics and backhanded posts on the forum fun.

^What he said.

I don't think we need a village GM because what it sounds like to me is that there is 2 Kages in each village. The Kage then the village-GM is like a Kage with more authority over some of the things. The village-GM is there to help reassure that the Kage doesn't make stupid decisions, like Rory said but if the Kage is chosen through democracy by the people of the village, they should suffer through the consequences & any good that comes from that Kage because that's who they chose to run the village.

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No. There is a striker and a referee. The referee doesn't place his leg on the ball, he just calls foul play. The Kage role is a player role, while GM is a staff role. GM position will not be obtainable by playing the game.

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Guys, in a roleplaying event/game, GM/Admins are vital. It prevents metagame/powergame/abuse. GM will not affect a kages decisions or its roleplay in anyway. The GM/Admin is there to make the playing field even between the two parties. Now, whoever takes the role as a GM is a different story because the GM can be corrupt and favor one party than the other or let things swing in favor of a party.

 

For example, if Kage 1 was tipped off about a spy in his village with out proper In character knowledge but heard it out of character. A GM is there to bring out his/her hammer and smash him.

 

 

 

I think what you guys are being mislead is that you guys are thinking that this is the PVP side of the game but from what I read from the topic its a ROLEPLAY event.

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So, if the kage dies he won't be losing his rank (in the escort thing)? Just the levels?

 

That's still to much. How about losing everything you were wearing? Money? Uniq tools? You're forcing us to die to get stronger just to expand the level cap in a way. >_>

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But if the striker cannot hit the ball without the referees permission(or submitting foul play).. you might as well make a npc programmed kage with no human errors. The fun part is having freedom, doing anything you want without others will, like how the American government has been watching our moves on the internet while violating our rights, too bad it sucks when it endangers our actual lives instead of fake ones.lolx. If theres actual problems that a kage can abuse, why wouldn't that be programmed out in the first place? Its basically giving the kage the option to do it even though it would never pass through a GM's permission, so why have that in? I honestly thought it was another one of those jokes in the shoutbox about how theres only going to be naruto and madara characters in game, think about it.

 

@Shuruki It has gotten slightly off topic but its still dealing with gms, and what did you mean here? (For example, if Kage 1 was tipped off about a spy in his village with out proper In character knowledge but heard it out of character. A GM is there to bring out his/her hammer and smash him.) I'm confused, are you saying that GM's need to be around to stop another ninja from spying on another village? No, this did not just go there. /Imdone

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But if the striker cannot hit the ball without the referees permission(or submitting foul play).. you might as well make a npc programmed kage with no human errors. The fun part is having freedom, doing anything you want without others will, like how the American government has been watching our moves on the internet while violating our rights, too bad it sucks when it endangers our actual lives instead of fake ones.lolx. If theres actual problems that a kage can abuse, why wouldn't that be programmed out in the first place? Its basically giving the kage the option to do it even though it would never pass through a GM's permission, so why have that in? I honestly thought it was another one of those jokes in the shoutbox about how theres only going to be naruto and madara characters in game, think about it.

 

@Shuruki It has gotten slightly off topic but its still dealing with gms, and what did you mean here? (For example, if Kage 1 was tipped off about a spy in his village with out proper In character knowledge but heard it out of character. A GM is there to bring out his/her hammer and smash him.) I'm confused, are you saying that GM's need to be around to stop another ninja from spying on another village? No, this did not just go there. /Imdone

 

I think he was referring to people metagaming and that GMs are needed to handle those nubs.

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More information regarding RPE

The player must have a Ninja Biography on the forum to qualify for a RPE.

Examples of RPE are the Chunin Exams and Diplomacy by the Kage.

Permanent death takes place during RPE.

I just want to start off by saying that you should keep the forum & the game two seperate things. I don't want to have to worry about my forum account while I'm on the game. If you could, explain why I need a biography to qualify for RPE?

 

"About Game Masters

There are 2 kinds of Game Masters, which are the Head GM and Village GM aka. Village Elders.

Head GM

In charge of events and decisions being made that affects the game on a global scale, such as wars & diplomacy. A head GM will only be necessary once we have released Suna.

Village GM

In charge of internal affairs (of one village) such as giving ranks. He/she is answerable to the Head GM.

I approve of Head Game Masters. They don't sound like a bad idea to help diplomacy between villages. It would be like an 'in-between Kage'. The way Rory explained it, it's a good idea. As for Village Game Masters, I'll be straight-forward, I think it's rather silly. The definition of the description given here for Village GM is 'Kage'. Why do we need a 2nd Kage?

 

 

"About Kages

Kages are players who appointed by leaders by the other players through elections. They are in charge of making small and large village decisions.

Elections will be held once every 2 months or if a Kage has permadied. The players running for the election will need to be a player who is powerful and well respected by his fellow village ninjas. There will be some minimum requirements before a player can vote for a Kage, these are being registered atleast 2 weeks before the election date, and they have to be at least a level 10 Genin in-game.

Kages will have the ability to change their village member's ranks & organization, but he is still a normal player. He is a figurehead, it is a role which comes with plenty of respect but is riddled by risks of permadeath.

Kages which abuse power (their actions will be logged for Village GM to look through) will be removed, and banned. They may start a war with any village, but through the discretion of Village GM, who will stop any unreasonable decisions.

The way we're going about Kages being chosen through election is a good thing (my own opinion). I like being able to choose my own Kage because I'll vote for someone I know is going to do a good job & not want to ruin my experience playing the game. If I make a bad choice, I still have the option to leave the village, not a big deal. What I don't like is that I have to vote (practically mandatory) everyone 2 months for either the same or a new Kage if I want to assure that I keep the same Kage in place.

 

Even though my chances of being a Kage are greater for having an election every 2 months, I don't think time serving as Kage for 2 months is good enough if the election is every 2 months. Sure I think it's great that we get to vote for our Kage but I think that this system is confusing the Naruto-world with democracy. Being a Kage isn't a democracy, therefore we shouldn't have elections based on time. But we should be able to choose our Kages through voting whenever a new Kage is being chosen. Ya feel?

 

Permadeath? I really hate the idea of permadeath entirely when it comes to; losing ranks, posessions, names, whatever else. If being a Kage means that I'm going to be prone to losing my level & my character identity, why bother being a Kage? I'd rather be a level 100 genin and take no risk of losing anything. This is a PVP game, it should stay as a PVP game not a Role-Playing game. With PVP comes tons of deaths, I'd be willing to die as a Kage, so long as I'm not losing my rank just because of a silly permadeath system. Specially if I got my rank yesterday.

 

If there is ever a Kage that abuses their power, they shouldn't be banned for it. Why not? They were chosen by their village members. The villages should face the consequences if they're to ever choose a bad Kage. A player isn't going to get voted Kage simply because they seem nice. They get chosen from respect & all. Also, banning players seems a bit much, just remove their rank & forbid him from ever being Kage with that identity again.

 

 

"Permadeath & Permadying

Permadeath in Nin Online is not exactly the end for your character. Imagine it as a end for your indentity, but not your character. These permadeath cases will be rare, and only high ranking players will be at a very high risk for this. The system will effective kill your identity, your character will from then on be his own Kin, his son or daughter or a brother etc. as such name change will be required. His items will be passed down as well.

As the permadead characters die, their Kin becomes more willful, and embodies his dreams. Though the characters which permadie will be reset to level 1, they with slightly higher starting stats than a normal character depending on how powerful he used to be, characters who have permadied multiple times will hence be slightly more powerful.

I'll start off here by saying this is a very...flawed-system. I can see players going around using the permadeath system to make their characters insanely strong & not in a good way. Even if we have a maximum amount of stats that we could have no matter how many times we use permadeath, I can see players permadeathing until they max out all of their stats so that it doesn't matter if they use a sword or straight ninjutsu or their bare hands.

 

On another note, players who actually want to get somewhere, probably won't get far anyways because who wants to be a Kage if they're going to eventually die in a PVP game over & over again? Sure they don't lose their character but their level is still worth a lot. Like I've said before, I'd rather stay a level 100 Genin as long as I'm not at risk of losing my level. Because I don't plan on reaching level 100 again. Not enough time on my hands.

 

 

To make friendly diplomatic decisions such as forming alliances or settling/ending wars, player Kages must decide decide on a meeting place - preferably & traditionally within one of the villages as a symbol of trust. There, they will discuss and come to a decision which will be executed by the Head GM.

How to Start

Kages must request a meeting to the Head GM, and then choose a time & date agreeable by both parties and the Head GM.

Travelling

The travelling/escorting phase of this RPE goes like this..

[*]As this is a dangerous journey to go alone, the Kage should preferably stay away from fighting for himself. He is to find escorts from his most powerful ninja to accompany him for this journey (maximum of 7)

[*]Kages may go about this any way they like, without escorts, or even request assistance from other villages to escort them.

[*]If players not involved from the village are being annoying, they may be kicked or banned by the GM.

[*]If the travelling Kage is killed on the way to the diplomatic meeting, this will be witnessed by the GM who will then determine based on whether any foul play was involved.

[*]If the death was fair and it was a planned ambush on the Kage, he will face permanent death.

[*]Escorts will not be at risk of Permanent death, but they will be at risk of losing their rank if they fail to protect their Kage.

[*]Other players may plan a Coup d'état as well, they may attempt to overthrow the Kage by force. Assassinations are bound to be attempted.

[*]Attempting to kill the Kage so that wars will be prolonged is also an option.

[*]The Kages may choose to keep the details of the meeting secret or low profile or change the date and time if they feel it is suddenly too risky.

Meeting phase

The location chosen as the meeting place can be private. Thus, mostly no external threats will happen from this point on, unless it is badly guarded or planned. Decisions for the diplomacy must take place within the game chat, and both villages should have somebody documented what is said during the meeting.

Once the meeting is over, and the decisions are made, Village GM and Head GM will make the necessary changes to alliances, wars, diplomacy. Players should report or announce the news/decisions on the forum.

 

Eventually, there may be individuals or groups of players who want to be "Reporters" and run their own news section. I am all for this! The Kage may allow or forbid reporters at the meeting, and they are not to speak or ask questions unless permission is granted.

 

Ending

After decisions have been made and meeting has been called to an end by both Kages. The RPE is over and the Kages are no longer at risk of permadeath.

I'm fine with the "How to Start", it's the traveling that bothers me. I don't see how you can maximize how many people travel with the Kage. I can see the entire village following the Kage, using the target system, using concealing skills, etc. I don't see the Kage leaving the village unnoticed. I could also see a Kage inviting 8+ people to escort him just because he can. I'm not being a rebel, I just don't see how you could possibly limit who the Kage brings. Ban him? Too much.

 

 

Chunin Exams is a very important and core RPE. It will have a lot of permadeath risks. But at the discretion of the Head GM, if the Chunin Exams has been held poorly, he may decide to call the whole event off.

How often is there a Chunin Exam?

The Chunin exam will be held once or twice a month by the Kage and Village GMs.

How to participate in the Exam?

First, you will need to form a team of 3.

You must register for the Chunin Exam on the forum, and your account must have made a minimum of 10 posts.

Your character must at least be a level 20 Genin to join the exam. You will need to have a supervising Jounin during the event, unless one of the team members is above level 50. If one member of this team is not present on the day of the exam, a replacement is allowed.

Registration fee of 10,000 Ryo per ninja in the team is required.

The fee should be sponsored by the Jounin supervisor, or can be paid by the Genins themselves.

Registration for the Exams will take place 1 week before the actual exam, and the teams applying should work together and practice fighting as a team before taking place in the exam!

The exams consist of..

Written Test 10 Minutes

Not much to explain for this.

Forest of Death 20 Minutes (No Permadeath, but Eliminations)

Each team will be given a Heaven Scroll or Earth Scroll item which will drop when the player faints.

Before they die, they may choose to simply run or surrender the item to the other team.

Players may go about this however they like.

Teams which fail this round, will be eliminated, hence half of the players or more will not make it past this stage.

Once you have both scrolls, you must proceed to the finish point.

If a team loses both their scrolls, they may still attempt to ambush other teams to get back the scrolls they need.

Medical Ninja will be very important in this round.

Preliminaries - 20min - 1hr

Finals - 10 - 30min

Both the Prelimaries and Finals will be held in different arenas. However, they will happen very similarly.

Two ninjas will be pit against each other, they must fight until one surrenders or faints.

High level Medical ninja must heal the player if he has fainted.

If the player is not healed, he will permadie.

Only the 2 ninjas and the medical ninja will be allowed into the arena.

Many possibilities are are available.

Obstructing the player who has fainted from being healed is allowed within RPE.

However, the player would be subjected to being banished from his village and/or be killed himself during the event.

How does the player become a Chunin after the exam?

All players who make it to the finals may be promoted. However, the Kage must make the final decision. He may choose any player that he would like to promote, and may hold back any player as well.

 

Chuunin sound straight ridiculous, not trying to bash, just being straight-forward. A Chuunin Exam is fine requiring a team of 3 Genin per squad but somethings after that seems way too much. Forum posts? You're willing to go on 10 posts per player every 1 or 2 times a month? I would estimate like 2k posts every month at least on spamming stuff for register on the forum. The level is..fine I guess. I can see some reasoning behind this. Registration fee? I'd rather stay Genin, thanks.

 

Sorry Rory, I know you're trying to make the game really fun & all but I just don't like some of your ideas for majority of this thread.

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Excuse the GOA community, they're not used to RP games and having good GMs. Anyways I assume GMs would be admins and devs on the forums. Now something I just thought up will our accounts have a limit on how many characters can be associated with them? Also would everyone be able to see the Ninja Biographies?

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