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Element System Poll   54 members have voted

  1. 1. Do you like the new or old Element System?

    • New.
      18
    • Old.
      31
    • N/A.
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The old one makes more sense to me, the new one has some changed that could be good, but the old one works better imo.

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Seth, I apreciate you guys are looking at the community and asking for input regarding this and here are my suggestions:

 

Why even follow the Naruto format where one element has to be weak against something and strong against the other? I honestly don't see how a gust of wind is gonna beat a boulder or even lightning!

 

I understand that you guys are trying to branch out from the Naruto realm more and make the game more unique.

 

Drop the rock-papper-scissors approach and make each element unique and have different values dependingon what it's up against. For example a strong enough breeze will put out a small flame where as a weak breeze would make a great fire roar stronger! So the way this would work in the game is if a basic wind jutsu is used against a stronger fire technique then the fire jutsu would grow stronger. However, if the wind jutsu is stronger than the fire jutsu then the flames would be extinguished.

 

Another example of this suggestion could be used in fire vs earth. If the fire is strong it can melt rocks and turn them into lava. If you throw a bunch fo dirt/sand on a small campfire you will extinguish it though.

 

Even in something like water vs fire. If the heat is too strong the water will evaporate.

 

Now this doesnt mean that just because a jtusu is stonrger than the other it would win:

A jutsus strength would be based on the rank of the ability, how much the person has mastered this skill and this ninja's ninjutsu abilities. So for example if 2 ninjas use jutsus of different elements that are of the same rank but one is more skilled in the art of ninjutsu then he has a greater chance to overpower his opponent.

 

I'm sure we could come up with a formula to work things out if you would be interested in an approach like this. We could still even use the mechanic where a jutsu strentgh is calculated based on what its up against before what is mentioned aboved takes place. Such as fire is only 50% effective before the calculation of ninjutsu str etc is added on versus a water ability. But against something like lightning it would be at 100% and then the calculations are done.

 

Another suggestion would be to add more elements than just hte main 5. Surely we could in coperate things such as ice, wood, magma, dark, light etc into the mix.

 

Hopefully you review my suggestion and give me a reply, Seth!

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Why even follow the Naruto format where one element has to be weak against something and strong against the other? I honestly don't see how a gust of wind is gonna beat a boulder or even lightning!

 

Another suggestion would be to add more elements than just hte main 5. Surely we could in coperate things such as ice, wood, magma, dark, light etc into the mix.

 

We follow the format cause that is why most people are here, because it is inspired from Naruto.

 

Elements are more than five, these are just the five base ones that the others can combine from.

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And who's to say that a gust of wind will completely cancel an earth or lightning jutsu.. Maybe it'll just tremendously decrease the damage taken, or w/e. That much info is not yet available to us.

btw I voted for the new one

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And who's to say that a gust of wind will completely cancel an earth or lightning jutsu.. Maybe it'll just tremendously decrease the damage taken, or w/e. That much info is not yet available to us.

btw I voted for the new one

A rock being thrown in the middle of a wind storm, most likely the rock will spread in pieces due to high amount of wind pressure. If perhaps the rock is huge, then the wind would simply slow the rock down if in long range and it will drop before it hits the enemy.

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Right now the concept of elemental strength and weaknesses is generally just going to impact situations like this.. If you have an earth shield, how would a lightning Jutsu like Chidori do against it. If you have a lightning trap, how would a fire explosion technique do to cancel it's effects.

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Right now the concept of elemental strength and weaknesses is generally just going to impact situations like this.. If you have an earth shield, how would a lightning Jutsu like Chidori do against it. If you have a lightning trap, how would a fire explosion technique do to cancel it's effects.

Lightning wouldn't pierce an earth shield unless it was quick and targeted in one spot. The things that's confusing me(if not others) is what sense are you guys trying to put this in, in a random unique sense or a logic sense(Yea i'm aware it's a fictional ninja game, but logic can still be placed in)?

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Lightning wouldn't pierce an earth shield unless it was quick and targeted in one spot. The things that's confusing me(if not others) is what sense are you guys trying to put this in, in a random unique sense or a logic sense(Yea i'm aware it's a fictional ninja game, but logic can still be placed in)?

No, cause reanimation has so much logic.

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The new one is more logical, but the old one is how it is in Naruto. Just to let yall know this isn't completely based on Naruto, and not everyone who plays it might know about Naruto. Some people might just play this game because it has ninjas and elements. So I would either say the new one or what @ said.

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Water does conduct electricity, and it conducts it extremely well. Water is special. It can be either ionic or covalent and electric currents love wet, ionic bonds. Water is wet and it is ionic, thus it will conduct a current very well. Not too mention the reason you shouldn't go swimming or be anywhere close to water during a thunderstorm.

Right now, You should know I was speaking on pure non-polorized distilled water which does not conduct, Not the water you get out of your sink because that does not have pure H20 it is highly contaminated with other chemicals not meaning it is unsafe however.

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Right now, You should know I was speaking on pure non-polorized distilled water which does not conduct, Not the water you get out of your sink because that does not have pure H20 it is highly contaminated with other chemicals not meaning it is unsafe however.

It would've been better if you were clearer, but yes -- distilled water is not a very good conductor. 

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For me the old is good how did ;the earth is stronger tan lightning dont forget the earth have a conductivity too and i think its not the only reason of why the lighntning is beter tan the earth and if you choose the new one it will break the balence of the elements at the end it will not be realistic because earth is not stronger tan lightning but is stronger tan water if the enemy ninja lunch a water bullet or a water wave you just have to do a earth wall,shield to protect you the water cant pass the wall and you can do a counter atack with earth spike or a jutsu like that so the older one is the best because all the element are stronger against another one and for the good reason.

 

fire:stronger tan wind because it make the fire bigger

 

Wind:is stronger tan lightning because you can cut through lightning and thing like that because its the only element who can counter it.

 

Lightning:is stronger tan earth because of its conductivity and probably because the electricity can disrupt the molecules who is at solid form when you do a earth wall or something like that with the earth element and make it  more soft and easy to pass through with a chidori something like that but for this second argument im not so sure.

 

Earth:is stronger tan water because it can block the waters jutsu and others things like that.

 

Water:is stronger tan fire because it can extinguish the fire.

 

 

 

its good like that.

 

 

the others things if i can call it the *element factor tab*  is the fact that lightning have conductivity on waters too and water at long term win on earth and a water bullet with compressed water can probably blow up a earth wall but only if the water is compressed at a very good percentage it depend on the training and on the elemental knowledge because a compressed water bullet for exemple at 500 elemental control,knowledge  cant blow up earth wall of a ninja who have 1000 element control and knowledge

 because the wall is too strong if a ninja have 1500 water knowledge he can compress his water bullet at a beter percentage than a  ninja with 1000 element control and knowledge of his earth element and blow up his wall same thing with the others elements and  its the base if you want to do a naruto game  you need things like elemental control,knowledge for the players to be 

 stronger and learn a jutsu who need 100,200,500,1000 elemental knowledge of one of the five elements,or special element and things like that to learn it.

 

at the end i think its a good idea to go with the old elemental tab and deal with the *element factor tab*  later with the special factor who don't just act on one element but 2 or 3 like conductivity and other things like that.

 

 

system of jutsu learning,,control,knowledge.need to be done too about how we will learn our jutsu and thing like that im sure you will do it when one of the 2 element tab will be choose the old one or the new one for me i thik the old one is the best.

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Not sure if your argument if any is based on reality. Your facts and standpoints seem to be on  half baked as well. Not to be rude or anything, you should work on your grammar and spelling if you want to make a compelling argument.

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what i  was saying was a little based on reality  and if you dont have logic its not my problem i have to say its based on naruto and in naruto they are no logic or just a little dont tell me you can use one of the five element in the real world and do a chidori thats bullshit.

 

Telling me to work on my grammar when we are talking about a subject  seriously if you dont like my grammar you can walk away.

 

It really look like you dont really like naruto because your first argument was good i understand your point but you dont have to insult others peoples grammar.

 

If you like naruto normally youre suppose to talk about naruto and presently we are talking about the old and the new elemental tab if you cant talk correctly about naruto and the things based on it youre just a troll who want atention and is arguing about stupid things without even talking about what we are suppose to talk.

 

This game and his element system who is based on naruto so stop saying stupidity like grammar please and talk about the subject we are talking about presently because if you cant do it you are just trolling and youre place is not here.

 

We are trying to help the game and say what we think about it like presently the element system the old one or the new one your first argument was great i understand your point but next time say something more constructive tan insulting people with their grammar.

 

Stop responding to others peoples arguments and saying their grammar is not good and write your own opinion about the old or the new element system because presently what i see presently is you are correcting the people and what they say and their opinion when you never write something about if you prefer the old one or the new one seriously write your own opinion about the real subject who is the old one or the real one and then its more credible to correct what the others peoples say.

 

 

I am sorry if i offended you with this message its really not my goal i think this your opinion was good exepted the moment when you tell me to watch my grammar and if there are admins too who think what i say is a little too offensive i am sorry this is really not my intention.

 

Good Bye and good day :)

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We went ahead and changed it back in the latest developer build. This poll is now being closed.

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